youre right. so damn, i guess i can just go 2.5" im getting the testpipes for 100 bucks. they are not resonated. i was talking about the resonators that came on the hks system. the test pipes are obviously longer than the cats. thats why i wondered about removing the resonators (already on my car). i just liked the idea of the 3 inch for in the future when i can afford better turbos. and then i wouldnt have to buy downpipes a second time. i just kinda think $100 is too good a deal for the labrees to pass up ymean.